Fustration with Pneudart

[ANTLER VALLEY]

Does anyone have any Pneudart 2cc Type C darts I could buy from them? I placed an order 3 weeks ago and I was informed they don't make the darts until they are processing orders and they were out of 1/2" needles; furthermore, the needles wouldn't be in for a minimum of two weeks (more time). It was the same story when I bought my gun from them two years ago. Would anyone else run their business this way? It would be an excellent time for someone to step in with a Pneudart-like gun and darts if they could bring a cheaper dart and more-readily available service. I think their policy is ridiculous. If anyone is reading this from Pneudart, I welcome your comment. Stand up, defend yourself!

Anyone have any darts I can buy???

[dennypell]

I too am not happy with Pueudart. Last year I ordered darts with 1 in needles,
When they came I checked them and found needles to be 3/4 needles. I called
Pneudart and told them the sent wrong darts, and if they could ship the correct darts,they told me it would be 2 weeks before they could ship them.
When I told them it was their mistake and not mine, they said there was nothing they could do about it, and they would send a return label to return wrong darts. I told them I needed darts to dart with,and response was "you
should buy your darts a couple months ahead to insure no problems". So this year I ordered darts middle of July, end of August no darts. Called Pneudart,
response was large demand for darts and machinery breakage has put them
behind schedule. I asked if there was anyone that handled their darts that I could get some, response was If you order them and have them shipped 3 day instead of ground shipment they could ship me darts. Now that was another $3.00, to ship 3 day. Why couldn't the same darts if they had them, be sent on regular ground shipment. If I would have known this is how they do business I would have bought a different brand.

[Predator3]

I might as well throw my two cents in. I have not placed an order from Pneu Dart yet and received the products that I ordered. The lesson we learned was to order 2 months in advance.

[dreamranch]

We order thousands of darts from Pneu Dart a year and have never had a promblem with service or quality.

Will Ainsworth
Dream Ranch L.L.C.

[ddwhitetails]

Yes unfortunately we all wait till the last second to order our darts.........then get mad when we have to wajt for them to come, We need to be more proactive and order before we are completely out of something

[Rick]

I have had very little problem with Pneudart there is sometimes a lead time on some darts, I will say the new 1 1/2 " darts seem to be working much better than the previous old style, we dart our dodes for AI and after darting all does 3 times only had 1 dart that did not fire, that is much better than previous attempts.

[ANTLER VALLEY]

DD, I ordered 3 weeks ago for darts I will need in a week or two, I don't call that "last second" ordering.

[CurtisLloyd]

I am assuming their manufacturing cost is 2-3 dollars per dart Average
why wouldn't they keep an inventory of 10,000 of the most common sizes....
2cc barbed 3/4 inch ...etc, I guess if you the only game in town....

[jcawhorn]

I ordered mine on Fri , Sept 25 so that I would have them by the first of Nov. I got an email from them last Fri sayint that the delivery date would be Nov 4 th. I have had to loan some of what I had and then borrow more from others who are waiting on theirs to arrive from pneu dart. Seem that the majority are having the same problems. I just figured that ordering a month and a half ahead of time would be sufficient. I was wrong and will reorder a surplus to keep on hand after this ordeal.

[HAB Whitetails]

Last I order was for 1cc darts. Got them delivered within 2 weeks. It seems that 2cc darts are more common, there for they get behind on the orders. Tere is a place in Texas, that you can oreder over night and get them. But they are 2x in price.

[Scott Heinrich]

I just ordered 1,2,3,4 and 6cc darts two weeks ago from them and I had no issues.

[Jack]

I also ordered 1, 1 1/2, 2, 3cc darts and had no problem with the shipment. I think their service is just fine. I have never had any of the problems it seems some of you have.

[IndependenceRanch]

We order thousands of darts from Pneu Dart a year and have never had a promblem with service or quality.

Will Ainsworth
Dream Ranch L.L.C.

Will, If you were a better shot you wouldn't need thousands of darts each year:p:p:p;););)
Will, you know I love ya:) Even though you didn't stop at my place:(
Next year right?:D

[CurtisLloyd]

Rodger, if I was going by you place I would stop, even if it was just an "overshoot" by northwest

[IndependenceRanch]

Rodger, if I was going by you place I would stop, even if it was just an "overshoot" by northwest

That's funny stuff right there!:p

[ANTLER VALLEY]

Last I order was for 1cc darts. Got them delivered within 2 weeks. It seems that 2cc darts are more common, there for they get behind on the orders. Tere is a place in Texas, that you can oreder over night and get them. But they are 2x in price.

What is this place in TX? I have bucks sold, need at least 3 darts (2cc) with no misses to buy. Otherwise, the question remains: can anyone sell me a half dozen 2cc darts? I'm desperate!

[ANTLER VALLEY]

I just ordered 1,2,3,4 and 6cc darts two weeks ago from them and I had no issues.

It pays to be known. I've said it all along.

[Spiderman]

I ran out of darts a couple of times and ordered in advance and still they weren't on time for when I needed them. I know I should have ordered way ahead but we all need them most in the fall usually so it is crunch time. I decided to try to reload the darts and with much trial found a way to reload the yellow plastic darts. Then they went to the clear darts and I have found a way to do them too. You have to be mechanically inclined somewhat but it can be done and I can shoot a dart and reload it and shoot it again in about five minutes so it isn't too bad. Of course you have to be your own cleaning and disinfection person to of all the parts but it still works. You can't do the metal bodied ones as they are crimped together so this leaves you with 1 1/2 cc or smaller. Jim

[ANTLER VALLEY]

Jim,

I'd love to hear how you reload those darts. Ironically, mine came in today. So I'm out of the woods this time. Thinking of ordering now for the 2010 breeding season.

[BF Products, Inc.]

We have been thinking about stocking Pneudart at our place but I would like some direction on which darts to stock as we don't want to stock them all but we want to have what you need so please give me some feedback. We are also thinking about other supplies from Pneudart so let us know, thanks.

[jcawhorn]

BF Products, INC. Let me know when you have them for sale. I ll sure order from you. I think you could ve sold several orders if you d had them in the past month alone. Jeff

[IndependenceRanch]

I will give my input for the sake of discussion. I personally would be reluctant to order from BF unless I had no other option. I don't know who BF is and I mean NO ill feelings in this post. Here is why I would be reluctant to buy darts. I even now am concerned about how long a dart has sat around before I use it. I asked what the shelf life was on the darts before it was possible they might not fire on impact. I was told about 1 year. Now I recently purchased enough darts to get me through NEXT falls season. I am concerned about how they will work next year at this time. If a 3rd party is purchasing darts and stocking them I would be concerned how long they have been holding them on the shelf before I bought them. You have to consider that Pneu-Dart makes them sort of as needed as I understand it. So if a 3rd party orders darts to stock them well in advance, and then they don't sell them right away how long have they sat there. That would be my one and only concern. I know bullets sit around for a long time and then still work for the most part. But to be honest a bullet not going off when I want it to when hunting isn't as important to me as that dart going off when I want it to.
Just my thoughts, and again I in NO WAY am bad mouthing BF or any other 3rd party supplier.
All that said it would be nice if a steady supply was available for purchase when we order them.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Roger I don't know if you know but...Every pack of darts from pneudart is stamped with a date on it...So you could tell if they were old.

[IndependenceRanch]

I did not know that. I just went and looked the the ones that just came in and sure enough. Nov 2 2009
Thanks.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

You Welcome:)

[Rick]

If i was Henry at BF Products and I was going to start into a distributor program with Pneudart i would have Pneudart agree to help turn over the stock, meaning they could use BF stock and replace it as they use it, that way the inventory stays current, of course this offers a service that Pneudart may not already have and BF Products should be comensated or even protected by Pneudart for the service that they are now providing. Pneudart could push orders through their new stocking distributor as opposed to taking orders direct. Of course Pneudart may not be willing to do this and if i was BF I may not want to stock a product with a manufacturer that would not protect me.

Just some thoughts I use Pneudart and have had no problems with them, and i also purchase items from BF and have had no problem with them, this could be a good partnership?????

[ANTLER VALLEY]

BF Products-it seems I always need 2-ml darts with a 3/4" gel-collared needle. FYI

[Scott Heinrich]

Roger,
Rest your concerns. If the darts are kept in an environment that is dry and room temp they will last longer than a year. I have some 6cc darts I know are over 5 years old. I used one of them last week and it worked fine.

[IndependenceRanch]

Very good to know Scott. Thanks.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

I don't know if it helps, but I have always kept the little moisture preventer things from my Excedrin...I put them with my ammo and duty belt...and I do the same with my darts.

[BF Products, Inc.]

Roger, you and I have met several times before at shows and I am certain you would know me if we were standing face to face. I understand where you are comming from on the issue of buying from Pneudart direct, I am just looking to help out and at the same time make BF Products more of a one stop shop. I have spoken with Pneudart before about this very thing and I have the utmost faith in Blair and his direction to help me get established. One thing BF Products does is stand behind everything we sell so if something did happen to go bad, we would certainly take care of it. Now with that being said, I am not certain we can carry everything Pneudart offers since they have a tremendous offering but I have had many calls this year asking for darts and I am ready to finalize with Pneudart but I would like some direction from the experts, you guys, what darts sell more so that very thing does not happen. These darts would remain in our office, not our warehouse so the temp. is constant. Painted Meadow, that is a great idea. Rick, thanks for your kind words. If you all could please just respond to what darts you prefer to use or use the most of, I can finalize this with Pneudart and be ready for the spring. Thanks

[IndependenceRanch]

We use mostly 2cc darts with 1" gel dual port. Also 3 cc in the same design.

Again, know I was in NO WAY speaking negatively about BF. It is great that there are people looing for ways to improve the industry.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

We mainly use 1 1/2 cc and 2 cc gel collar darts with 1/2" & 3/4" needles respectively.

[BF Products, Inc.]

Roger, none taken believe me and like I said, I understand your point of view, if I didn't I would not be in business long. I just want to help in any way I can and be closer to the deer industry each day then I was the day before. Roger, if you remember, the last conversation we had together was I had asked you for advise on my doe fawn that was done with no appearant reason. This conversation happened at the Ohio show this fall. Anyway, thanks for giving me what darts you are looking for, I will take care of this on Monday with Pneudart if they are available.

[BF Products, Inc.]

I do want to go on record saying that Pnuedart is a great company and Blair is a cut above the rest, a real stand up guy. After reading my posts I believe it could have been taken the wrong way and I certainly do not mean any disrespect towrds Pneudart or Blair, I just want to help and be involved all I can. Thanks again and God Bless

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Yes... but if I had my order in before you ...Your order should not go first because you pay more...A company should stand by getting their orders out...Not taking $$$ to get some out quicker!...screwing customers that planed ahead...
I had a bad experience with that....And ended up paying a small fortune, because I had a Vet scheduled...and needed them...My order was in early.

[dennypell]

We use 2 cc,dual port,gel collars with 1 in needles, and 1 cc dual port,gel
collars with 3/4 in needles.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Well I put an order in for a blow gun the other day...I check Three days later because my card hadn't been charged...At that time I was told they are at least Three weeks behind on orders...I said OK I don't need the darts I have plenty but since I was ordering thought I would get some...but that's fine send the blow gun alone.
I have A fawn that needs darted and would like it done softer...She informed me that it's not the dart production that is behind it is the whole process and the order can't be shipped for several weeks...
Most company's add days or hours to get orders out...or at least tell customers their order will not even be touched for at least Three weeks!
Just my thoughts...
Does anyone that has a blow gun know if this is the same...other than it's cheaper and I could get Camo...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190289113442&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Spiderman]

Just get some 1/2 inch inside diameter copper tube for water systems. Forty inches of it is plenty and you can shoot a pnue-dart through it. I add a small disk of thin plastic to the butt end of the dart to help seal the air as you blow. If you tilt it down the dart falls on the ground but hold it level and take the shot....works great and you can get by in a pinch. The pipe comes in 10 foot lengths so you can make three for yourself or give one to a friend. Sometimes you are trying to dart a deer and it will stand by anyone but the guy with the gun so giving out several blow guns to helpers standing in corners can get a wild one darted quickly. Jim

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Thanks...I may have to get crafty...

[Willows & Whitetails]

Hey spiderman

What size threads are you using to put the darts back together???

[Willows & Whitetails]

PaintedMeadowsBJs

I got one online. Dont remember where, but wasnt too hard to find. Just have to make sure you get the right size. 50 Cal is a little harder to find. Wasnt too exspensive either. I went too short, 24" if I remember. I'd go twice that if I was gonna do it again.

[Spiderman]

Hey spiderman

What size threads are you using to put the darts back together???

Well , I am at work and can't go look at the die size now. The first die I used , on the clear bodied darts , took off too much material from the outside diameter of the darts body. The pressure is quite strong when it goes off even if it is just powered by three cap gun caps. I am trying a combination of thread/compression fit now. I took a dart head and cut the needle off so it is a straight through shape. Then I cut threads into this "tube" and used it to cut threads into the dart bodies by turning them through it. The treads have to be of "fine" size to get the most surface area of threads for a good hold. The yellow , soft, plastic darts are just pressed back into the head. I will have to get off my butt and do a pictorial of the process if there is enough interest. Jim

[woody]

I guess I'll throw my hat into the ring also. Dealing with Pneudart has for the most part been good. One thing though, I ordered darts a waited 3 weeks and no darts. They said they were behind so, no problem. Well it gets to the point where we NEED the darts as someone was coming to buy more deer than we had darts for. He asked if we had darts and we said some but not enough. Well he ordered some that day, paid extra, and had the darts in two days. What's up with that??!!! What happened to my now 4 week old order? I thought they were behind but he got his in two days. To make matters worse, I called and asked about my order and got the same story, they're behind. Well, I wound up paying an extra charge and then got my order in two days!!!!:eek: Guess it was kind of stupid on my part paying extra at that point cuz it was a month into it anyway, but, hey, we NEEDED them now! I don't disagree with paying extra to get your order expedited but, i think it's pretty crappy to be a month behind, but for an extra charge they miraculously have the exact things you want right there.:confused: Last thing, Henry, 1, 1/2,2 cc-1/2, 3/4 1" tri-port needles with gel collars. We'll buy from you!

[ANTLER VALLEY]

If you promised a bred doe to a farm for $4,000 and then someone came and offered you $6,000 for the same doe, what would you do? Well, if you're a man of your word, you'd sell to Farm A for $4,000. If you're a really great farmer, you wouldn't mention to the A buyer that you could have sold her for two grand more. But...if you were the only one who had bred does, you'd have somewhat of a monopoly. This is the reason they can do what they are doing. I'm still waiting for a call, an email, or at least a post from Pneudart to tell me what their defense is to everything written above this post.

[CurtisLloyd]

What is needed is some old fashioned competition, see it everywhere... if your the only game in town people poilitely ignore the jerk you are until there is a choice..... then you will lose customers even if they have to pay more with the new guy but get what they want when the need it.....it's called service you don't charge extra for it,it's your responcibility,if you can't understand the concept,get out of busniess...... good thing they don't sell toliet paper this way

[Rick]

in the mean time lets not run the current supplier out of bussiness, not sure about you but I need Pneudart... But rather lets ask Pneudart what can you do to help remedy the problems that people are having regading supply and demand.... I know some of you are giving Pneudart every opportunity to respond and remedy the situation...

[BF Products, Inc.]

BF Products, Inc. is getting ready to place an order with Pneu Dart for the darts you all need for this spring. Please be specific on your dart needs so I can make sure we have in stock what you need. We are not going to carry all darts, just the top selling ones or top requested ones that you all send to me. Please call Henry toll free at (866) 238-7715 and get your order placed, thank you and God Bless. Merry Christmas from BF Products, Inc. and we hope to see you all at future deers shows across this great land.

[wvdeerman]

I agree that we can be upset with pneu-dart all we want, but the fact is we still need them. We must be respectful to the end. I have run off at the mouth about several things in the past, and you know where it got me...NO WHERE!!

I do have a situation that left me completely dumbfounded by Pneu-dart this past week. I friend of mine is ordering a .22 dart gun from pneudart. I have a gun dealer that is a friend. My gun dealer friend just went on maternity leave, she had a baby girl the day before Thanksgiving. Anyways, I told the buyer and pnue-dart that I would take care of contacting the gun dealer to get the FFL faxed over for shipping. When the buyer called to order the gun, they were told the gun was in stock. They gave pneudart their credit card number to pay for the gun and shipping. Well, it took the dealer two days to get the FFL faxed over, because the baby had been sick. In that two days, PNEU-DART sold the last gun in stock and left my friend without a gun, that they thought they had already paid for. I thought that was a really crappy way to treat a customer. I wonder if they charged the other person "EXTRA" to get the last gun?

Pneudart does now have more guns in ready for shipping, but that was beside the point. I was shocked that they would do business that way.

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

anybody try using cap-chur darts in there pneudart gun?

[Willows & Whitetails]

Yes, and it didn't work worth a darn. I was trying the air inject darts. It was a waste of time and money!! Tried everything. Wasn't a lot of fun for me or the deer.

[CurtisLloyd]

I use cap-shur type darts in my blowgun and pneudart in my cap-shur type gun , I made a dart gun from a 50 cal. breech plug muzzleloader by making an offset adapter, It's really accurate with the rifled barrel, the one thing on the downside is that it's almost too efficent and even with low power darts the minimum range is 20 yards

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

Yes, and it didn't work worth a darn. I was trying the air inject darts. It was a waste of time and money!! Tried everything. Wasn't a lot of fun for me or the deer.

Was the problem the air inject part or what. They have the charge style darts.

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

I use cap-shur type darts in my blowgun and pneudart in my cap-shur type gun , I made a dart gun from a 50 cal. breech plug muzzleloader by making an offset adapter, It's really accurate with the rifled barrel, the one thing on the downside is that it's almost too efficent and even with low power darts the minimum range is 20 yards

Got any pics of that custom tranq?

[CurtisLloyd]

I started with a H&R Huntsman 50 Cal. muzzle loader, had a local shop make an insert that would hold the .22 blank in an offset position so the center-fire firing pin would strike the rim-fire .22 power cartridge. it takes a little shooting to figure out the load for each dart and distance.

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

you should market that insert.

[Scott Heinrich]

Curtis, do you have a dimensioned drawing of the insert. I have a lathe and would like to make a few for field trials. Hey who knows, if they work out I might retire and go into production with you. Oh yea, is the insert aluminum?

[CurtisLloyd]

I had mine made from SS, the rod on the end is a 3" #8 bolt, removable for cleaning the ports so that it shoots more consistantly. Production..... first thing to do is see if the patent is still active each gun is different whether you want to convert your knight, TC, H&R, traditions, cabellas .... etc
Scott I do have the dimensions for mine on a scematic as long as you build for your own use there is no patent infringement I will e-mail them to you

[BF Products, Inc.]

BF Products, Inc. is now a dealer of Pneu-Dart items and we are ready to take your orders so please give us a call at (717) 238-7715 and ask for Henry. We will be selling all Pneu-Dart items and Projectors.