RED CAP Milk? Lots of questions!

[Midwest Deer Sales]

I talk to many people in the industry. Being in the Whitetail Breeding and Auction business and many of my friends and customers are asking what is the formula for feeding RED CAP milk? I think it would be nice to make this as easy and simple as possible for anyone wanting to start using RED CAP milk to follow. Please post how you feed RED CAP Milk, Times, rate, and so forth. I think this debate will be one that many breeders would try, and some may try it just on a couple of fawns for the first year. I am doing it this year and I feel that if it works it could be a great way to show others how effective it is and that the fawns can do just as well on the RED CAP as the others brands. The cost factor alone may make it possible for some of the smaller farms to stay in business, and help turn a profit.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

If you go straight to the dairy and get their milk that will expire soon you may save some money...But I don't think going to the store and buying it you will save...

I think it cost me more...
BUT...I FEEL they were so much healthier,a lot bigger and it is so easy...
When you feed a fawn mix...I don't feel that their body handles it well they bloat...and act tired and full after only a few ounces after feeding red cap...(I will list a full in detail instruction of what I did that worked for me...)you feed them as much as they can take(to a point)one fawn I had to limit cause I could tell she wasn't hungry...but the other take 2-3 x more milk then you would give formula and than they play and act healthy...It was the first year I tried it It is the first year I never lost a bottle baby...It is easier to call me and I can tell you my experiences if you need help...but I will list how I did it soon...I just have to type it up.

[Rick]

Here ie what we do
Feed 3 times a day for 10 weeks never exceed 14-16 oz per feeding
Feed 2 times a day for 1 week
feed 1 time a day for 1 week
Weaned

Use red cap milk and ad 1/2 cup of LOL doe match or kid replacer from start to finish
keep dirt and grass in stall from 3 days old on
Start on grain week 2
start on alfalfa hay week 4

This is what we did in 2009 and when we did our AI a couple farmers that helped commented that our fawns were the best looking they have seen anywhere and these guys get around to allot of farms. I was very proud to have someone make these kind of comments to a guy that has not been doing this for very long, our bottle feds are actually bigger than the mother raised, this worked even better than previous years when we used raw goats milk.

If anyone is interested i can supply a document with a feeding schedule starting from week 1 to week 12. Do not want to sway anyone to change but just responding to this request

[Rick]

going to the store and buying fresh milk will save allot over raw goats milk that costs anywhere from 4-10 dollars a gallon not to mention the convience.

None of the cost savings and convience matters if you do not produce an equal or better product, which I believe we did....

[Midwest Deer Sales]

Rick, please send me a detailed schedule. I talk to a lot of people as you know and would like to have a copy on hand as I will feed RED CAP Milk this year and know a lot of others that are going to try it as well. If you could please send me a copy to deersales@gmail.com and I will post it here for everyone as well.
Thanks
Eric Pinkston

[chris35]

i would like a detailed schedule too, thanks chris
chris44vogel612@hotmail.com

[ER Whitetails]

I would like one too eelriverracks@yahoo.com. Thanks

[TallTines]

I would like to have one also chntr69@yahoo.com

[Deerchaser]

please add me to the list. aueasterbrooks@yahoo.com

[allenb]

I would like one too for comparison. I'm always tweaking. Thanks, Allen ahbiser@hotmail.com

[Predator3]

Rick, please add me to.
Thanks, Paul

[Jack]

Rick,
I also would like your information on the use of red cap milk. Maybe it would just be easier to post it here on this thread. Thank you. petmanjack@mac.com

[Rick]

document has just been sent to each of you, I would probably prefer to not post it on a public site??? but am willing to share with any deer farmer that would request a copy, you may also modify to suit yourself if you like and share with who ever you like.

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

Add me on that list if you would.

[LJwhitetails]

would like one also ljwhitetails@swbell.net

[Four Seasons Whitetails]

Please add me in if possible. Thanks
makjkerry@hotmail.com

[JDeck]

If it wouldn't be a problem I also would like to be added to that list.Thanks in advance.
Jamie

JCDFF33@Verizon.net

[ekljr]

Rick if you would can you please also send me a copy thanks Ed edlillman@hotmail.com

[B_Whitetails]

Rick if you could please add me to your list i would appreciate it. Thanks

bailey7x@aim.com

[BUCKEYEBO]

Rick , I would also like a copy if possible . It sounds much easier than the way we do it and better thanks Jim email glasstrim4@yahoo.com

[Rick]

I believe I have sent this to eveyone who requested with the exception of Tundra Ridge, I need your email address

[Midwest Deer Sales]

Rick
Sorry for all the inconvenience, but see what i mean. I have a lot of people asking for the this. I thank you for posting this and I think a lot more of us will benefit from your work and generosity.
Thanks
Eric

[ANTLER VALLEY]

If one of you guys could forward that to me antlervalley@gmail.com I'd appreciate it.

[Pasture Prime]

Rick, Could you add me to your list. Sounds easier than what I've been doing and much cheaper. Fresh pasturized goats milk here is 6.50 to 10.00 a gallon. And some people want to freeze it! What a job that is thawing and pouring off the thawed and keeping in the frig while the rest thaws and not mixing up the jugs. Not to mention the 2 hour drive to pick it up. Well you get the point. And I'm having some bad memories of past years as you can probably tell. Anyway, If you could send me a copy as well I would appreciate it. Thank you. Sandy
sandy@primewhitetails.com

[Rick]

This has been sent to Antler Valley and Prime, As for the inconvience there has been none (copy and paste) and i am happy to help but I would like to add that I do not claim to have anything special going for me just a plan that by all appeareances has done a equal or better job then our previous plan that utilized raw goats milk, I cannot explain why, and I do not believe that red cap is better than goats milk, other than helping to eliminate or control ecoli issues.

Any one else using Red Cap should chime in here and include their plan for review so everyone has a choice, to consider.

Thank you for your kind comments

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

send that to tundrapounder@hotmail.com thanx

[Four Seasons Whitetails]

Thanks rick,This sure might help us new guys comin in and it sounds like some of the oldtimers might give it a try!! (no pun intended) lol

[warrenwhitetails]

me too!!
www.warrenwhitetails@gmail.com

[Rick]

I believe this has been sent to everyone that has requested if you have not received please let me know

[Mitch P]

Hey Rick it looks like you opened up a bunch of requests !!! LOL All I`ll say about red cap is. I fed Goats milk 10 yrs and and felt I had the experience to try it. It works !

[Rick]

Hey Mitch, your right I just hope it helps someone, I just dont want to lead someone to believe I actually know anything, because anything I have learned has come from others including you

[H&M Whitetails]

rick i was just waiting I thought you might just post it could you please send me a copy

thanks Ed at etmconcrete@verizon.net

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Rick could you please send me what you did Please... billiejo1@zoominternet.net
I watched your video's they are great!
When I first pull my fawns I mix colostrum with red cap.
After three days,I start weaning out colostrum and add in a medicated formula with Bovatec (an anticoccidial agent) coccidia control.
(Amount and length of time would be vary whether you are treating or preventing a problem.)
Then go to Straight milk all they can drink...
You can tell when they get full they will play with the nipple!
Unlike formula the deer can consume up to 40 ounces at a time each! and not look or feel bloated.
You can kill a fawn if you over feed them with formula!
Call if anyone has questions.
(724)735-9924 or
email

[Tim Condict]

Hey Rick send to me as well. Thank you in advance. doublet@oklatel.net
Tim

[thunder]

Me too Rick thundervalley@uplink.net
Thanks!

[Rustyblaster]

Another benefit from red cap is that you don't have to remember how much each fawn is portioned for that feeding. You just feed until all are full. This comes in handy when fawns are in the same pen because not all are the same age so not confusing when to stop feeding babies.

[Hunters Dream]

Rick,
We would greatly appreciate a copy. Our babies were drinking 90 oz per day of Zoologic this past summer at there best before weaning them. New to the deer industry the wife and I did not want the babies to starve. In case that happens this year it should not be so expensive. LOL

Thanks Again,

Jeff & Tina Enochs
Hunters Dream Whitetails
tenochs2@yahoo.com

[TRIPLE R WHITETAILS]

rick,
I hate to trouble you I too thought someone might post it here, but i would like to have it also.. We fed zoologic two years in a row.. had good luck the first year ,followed the instructions pretty close spent alot of time ...this past season we got a little lazy and started with only three feedings a day instead of five and had alot more trouble ...diarhea and medicating alot... don't blame it on the milk but i would like to try the red cap this year.... please send it to 4ragons@charter.net

[Mitch P]

Thanks there Rick but no need to toot my horn buddy because we are all in this for a common goal and that`s nice healthy fawns as inexpensive as possible !Reguardless of what a farmer feeds their babies one thing we need to be observant of is the bacteria that may be around the pen. Unknown to us but it is there !! So often we have a problem and we blame our product first before we really know what`s going on !!! No matter what we feed our fawns the key is observance of the babies. Know their actions and watch their eyes !! Thanks for your post Rick, it shows you can raise big healthy fawns on 3 feedings a day for those farmers pressed for time in their busy schedules !!

[Whitetail Sanctuary]

Hey, Rick send it to me to wscott_1@hotmail.com, We have always fed Fox Valley but i'll be the first to admitt thier may be another way to skin a cat! Thanks Wayne

[dennypell]

Rick can you send it to dennypell@gmail.com also Thanks for your time and knowledge.

[Reed68]

We've used Zoologic for the past three years but if red cap is better, you need to send it to us too. reed_carl@sbcglobal.net. Thanks

[ddwhitetails]

Rick I am big red cap fan.......but i like your mix idea......please send to duffydnns@aol.com..........thank you so much!!

[Rick]

Man I should have charged .50cents a piece and I could have had a free steak dinner "Just Kidding" I believe this has been sent to all that have requested it, if you did not receive please let me know

Reed just want to make sure you know we have never made any claims as to red cap or our formula of feeding to be better than any one else or method, it is just another option or way of doing things



Thanks

[Fernando]

Rick,could you send me also a copy,thank you for your time.
Fernando@nevestaxidermy.com

[NK Whitetails]

Rick,
I would like a copy also when you get a chance. Thanks!
nkwhitetails@hughes.net

[Redwater]

Rick please add me to the list.

Wes & Liz Weinberg
REDWATER WHITETAILS

[Redwater]

Sorry, redwaterwhitetails@gmail.com

[RTT Whitetails]

Hey Rick can you send to me as well. i would be glad to send you 50 cents to go towards your steak dinner. Really thank you for sharing with the group. barry.laughlin@navistar.com

[wvdeerman]

Hey Rick, ME TOO !!

We haven't bottle fed for three years now. One reason because of the time needed and another reason because it seemed our fawns just weren't getting what they needed. We had always fed Land O Lakes lamb replacer. The fawns were always healthy and lively, but they were always small. It sounds that your mix may help the growth and weight of the fawns be more natural. I miss not bottle raising, perhaps your formula will help our farm as well as many others. THANK YOU !!

shadowvalleydeerfarm@verizon.net

[Four Seasons Whitetails]

I think if we have this many people changing to red cap we could all get together and get some of discount also will be a company or two with a little less profit this year!!!

[Hunters Dream]

I appologize Rick the wife just told me you sent over the file today but she deleted it immediately after reading it. She put it in the wrong file or something now it is gone.

If you would try this email. jenochs@aegl.net

Thanks Again,

Jeff & Tina Enochs

[Rustyblaster]

Red cap is cheap enough now. Who needs a discount? I've seen it anywhere from $1.68 to 2.08 per gallon. Much more affordable than other options.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Darn... I live in the wrong place our cheapest is $3.59 and will go up again soon.

[Four Seasons Whitetails]

Yup painted,the farther north you go the more expensive the cow!!!

[Rick]

Ok I believe this has been sent to all the new requests including the personal emails and phone messages, anyone that did not receive and still would like to have please let me know. Also please remember this is just one farms way of doing this

[CurtisLloyd]

Canada 6.00 / gallon

my parents winter in Arizona $1.58

[Deerchaser]

When you say "Red Cap", do you mean whole milk with a red cap or is it a brand of milk replacer?

[Rustyblaster]

store bought pasturized whole milk with a red cap. Many of us have it in the fridge already.

[WSW21]

Rick if you could send it my way i would appreciate it! wswhitetails@aol.com

[virgil]

I use straight red cap milk warmed up in a bucket of hot water. I leave fawn on mother for 24-48 hours then i pull and feed 4 times a day as much as they want to eat for first 2 weeks. Then as much as they want 3 times a day for next 8 weeks. Then i switch to 2 times a day for 2 weeks as much as they want. Then 1 time a day as much as they want for 1week. Don't worry about bloating they want bloat like they do if you over feed them on replacers. From the very beginning make sure to have fresh dirt and water every day and after 2weeks i put out feed mix and alfalfa. This year i bottle fed 12 fawns and lost none. My fawns were all bigger and healthier than ever before. I have used many different replacers and had good results but red cap milk is much easier and their is hardly any mess to clean up. Make sure to clean bottles after every feeding they clean much easier there is no residue left like with replacers. Doesn't get any easier than this!

[TRIGGER]

I would appreciate if you could send that to me aswell bolguin@oneok.com thanks

[RocksnRacks]

Rick, could you add me to your list also -thank you.
deerman@zoominternet.net

Dean

[T.R.O.]

Hey Rick, Add me as well. I have been feeding red cap as well with 0 complaints!!Have never lost a bottle fed and I would just like to see what the difference is between yours and ours and see if I could tweak mine a little bit to make it just that much more easy. thanks alot, really appreciate it!! justinroepke@hotmail.com

[Rick]

Sorry I have been away from my computer for several days, I have now sent this to everyone that has requested it it least to the best of my knowledge, If i counted right 58 people have requested this either through this thread, personal emails, and or phone calls. If you have not received and still would like to have please let me know.

I will say it one more time, we profess to have no secret formula nor do we promote that we have the only or the best way oe doing it, it is just another choice

I will say something new here, If I were to differ from the schedule that i have sent I would not feed less milk but would consider more, however i am not a fan of feeding all they want but there are many on here that would disagree and that is fine, I am sure it works for them, this is not a debate but just another option you choose what you think is best for you and your farm

Thank You

[DJ Johnson]

Rick could you dend it to me please Thank you for the info.
djjohnson26@frontiernet.net

[K-Whitetails]

Could you send me a copy, thanks.
mkramer2@arvig.net

[TLloyd]

Please send to wtlloyd@olemiss.edu. Thanks!

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

Gotta question what is survive D and where does one get it?

[allenb]

Tundra Ridge ,Maybe this will help. Survive-D is an oral vitamin and energy supplement for newborn fawns, weak and off-feed deer. Packaged in a dispensing bottle with instructions for dosage and applications. It is available from Reproduction Resources. You have to do an advanced search and type in survive d. Hope this helps. Allen

[Deer&ElkRaiser]

Please add us to your list for the schedule when you have time. We are new to the deer side of this and used ADM last yr but from the sounds of it red cap is the way to go. Your post read "use red cap and add 1/2 cup kid replacer" does that mean add 1/2 cup per gallon? Thank you for your time.
Lundberg Deer and Elk Farm
deerandelkraiser@yahoo.com

[Tundra Ridge Whitetails]

Tundra Ridge ,Maybe this will help. Survive-D is an oral vitamin and energy supplement for newborn fawns, weak and off-feed deer. Packaged in a dispensing bottle with instructions for dosage and applications. It is available from Reproduction Resources. You have to do an advanced search and type in survive d. Hope this helps. Allen

Thanx I couldnt find it on any search engine.

[allenb]

Tundra Ridge, The web site is reproductionresources.com Good Luck, Allen

[wvdeerman]

Allen, I have looked many times online for this product. I have been on the reproduction resources website numerous times and can't find it. If I do a search on their website for survive d it gives me a list of 748 items, that really have nothing to do with vitamins. Can you copy and post the link to that page?

[wvdeerman]

OK, I got it to work. It needs to be typed in as survive-d not survive d. -d or not -d that is the question. LMAO

[allenb]

You go Jack !!!!:confused:;):p:D Allen

[mdegner]

Rick,

Please send a copy of your recipe to: mrzfarms@frontiernet.net.

Thanks, Mike Degner

[Brandon Wheeler]

Rick,
put me on the list too!

Brushandrock@yahoo.com

[Rick]

I believe I have sent this to everyone requesting a copy as of this morning including those requests by email and by phone, a couple of you may have gotten twice due to my lack of memory, if you have requested and have not recieved please forgive me and let me know, I will get it to you. Thank You

[dcwhitetails]

Rick Sounds like you got goin on with the redcap. i think lot gonna use, i had pellets Right when i mixed little redcap,heck send me your recipe. Dc

[Rick]

Allen thanks for your help with the Survive D

[allenb]

No problem Rick, Thank you for all the info you have given me. It has helped me a lot for this years plans. Allen

[jroy7642]

Rick,
Please send a copy of the RedCap recipe/schedule to olroywhitetails@live.com
Thanks,
Joyce

[Rick]

Again this has been sent to everyone that has requested including those by phone and email, if anyone did not recieve please let me know and I will re-send

This is starting to scare me a little, this has been sent out to A LOT of people and like I have said we are not promoting Red Cap or our method of feeding it, we are just responding to a request. It scares me that so many people may adopt an idea or method and if a couple people have a problem that the source of the method will be blamed. If you get enough people and all of them are doing the same thing somone is bound to have problems with an animal dying, or getting sick. Some of you that have called have mentioned that you have used another method in the past and have had no problem, I have told those people why would you even consider changing if you have never had a problem, I sure wouldn't.

Any how, this has been a fun exercise, and hope you all have a great fawning season, and that all your fawns grow like a weed, are healthy, and big, regardless of the feeeding method you use. Please let us all know if you learn something that will benifit the rest of us.

[Four Seasons Whitetails]

RICK,I saw your clip on u-tube of your wife feeding the fawns with the bottles stuck in the boards.I think that is a neat idea and might try to do something like that.

[Kaicreek]

Mr. Browning,

I would also appreciate a copy of the red cap feeding schedule and method. I also hope your generosity in passing on your personal success does not lead to others blaming you if their results do not match your success. I truly do not think that will be the case, as in the short time that I have been a breeder, I have found only gracious and helpful colleagues in a growing and competative business. Thank you for passing on your knowledge and experience.

jeff
kaicreek@att.net

[Greg M]

Rick
I would like a copy also. I may try a couple of fawns on it. Thanks Greg
mills@prairieinet.net

[Rick]

Jeff and Greg "You Have Mail"

Jeff, Thanks for your comments

[Lakeshore Premier Whitetails]

Please send that to me also thanks, gcwhitetails@ymail.com

[keith]

Rick would you please send it to me also at keithglastetter@yahoo.com. Thanks

[Rick]

Kieth and GC you have mail

[dbank]

Rick,

When you have time would you send to me as well?

Dwain@aarinc.net

Thankyou

[lonestar2409]

Rick Please send it to me too thanks lonestar2409

gls@gt.rr.com

[TRIGGER]

Well i guess we better buy some stock in whole milk!! May not be enough to go around this spring!!

[IndependenceRanch]

This is good for the dairy farmers I guess. The guy who rents my land asked last week if he could wait to pay the rent since he is hurting. He told me he had to take out a loan to get himself through the down prices. That is not funny. But what is funny is I never charged him for using my land all these years. I just always said take good care of it and don't run it down. Then last winter after hearing him always ask what he owed me I finally gave in and said fine pay me if it will make you feel better. But now he can't pay the rent. Great young couple, I hope they make it.

[Four Seasons Whitetails]

I was thinking the same thing.Rick put his program out there and he must have had 50 request for his fawn program.This will help the farmer somewhat i guess.I just wish i was standing in line behind one of you guys with lots of fawns to feed, The look on the cashiers face would be priceless with a cart full with 10 or 12 gallons of redcap.

[Deerchaser]

Maybe we can go back to the old days of having our milk delivered.

[Deepwoods]

I used half red cap and half goat milk for years .But I would like to know how you do yours if you would
thank you

[Awesome Antlers]

Rick, if you wouldn't mind I would also like to take a look. Please send to bcmcgrew@pcpartner.net. Thanks in advance...

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

I used red cap last year and would buy 12 gallons at a time and got strange looks but....

My doe had a fawn stuck last year so I ran to the dollar store...and bought 5 tubes of KY Jelly and 6 medicated douches...You should have seen the people look then!:eek:

[Rick]

Barry, Dwain, and Lonestar "You Have Mail"

Deepwoods, can you supply me with your email address.

Best I can tell, I have now sent this to over 75 different people, from requests here, emails, and phone calls, and one more time I would like to say that we do not promote our method of bottle feeding, we are just responding to the original post on this thread, but rather we are just offering another choice to be reviewed, we have only used Red Cap one year and had what we and other farm visitors have said is the best looking fawns they have seen in 2009. We dod not necessarily believe that REd Cap is any better than most other options out there.

What we do believe is Red Cap or "WHOLE COWS MILK" is easy to get, relitively cheap, no concerns with Ecoli, it has some defficiencies and that is why we mix replacer with it, easy to mix and feed,

We also do not believe that Red Cap mixed with replacer is soley responsible for great fawns, it takes, clean bottles, clean stalls, clean water, dirt, grass, hay, good grain mixture, low stress environment, timely shots and or vaccinations, regular temp checks, etc....etc.... and help from other deer farmers when something goes wrong you cant handle on your own, "I am never afraid to ask for help and I dont wait too long before I ask"

[Headley]

Rick Please send it to me . Headley25@aol.com

Thanks Joe

[Pasture Prime]

Rick is so right. While what you feed them is important. Every other aspect of their care is also very important. Keeping them in a clean and dry enviroment and their bottles clean is as important. They are a social animal they want to be with other fawns. Keeping them happy is important to their well being and reduces stress. The amount I feed is according to their weight as over feeding could cause problems. So I weigh mine at least once a week. Watching them, if ones just not acting like he usually does. Keep an eye on him maybe he's just having an off moment but it could be something else. With fawns good poop is a major thing. Have to keep track of that. A good vet that knows deer or at the very lease knows goats as they're pretty close as far as medicine is concerned.
In the begining I knew nothing about raising fawns, so lost some from pure ignorance. And the only person I had to ask didn't know much more than I did and didn't believe in giving medicines wanted to go natural. Knowing what I know now I probably wouldn't have lost them. This forum has truly been a life saver. I have learned so much. Everyone on here is so willing to help anyone with any questions. But even when you think you've seen it all, something new comes along to humble you. And it's reasuring to have good people to turn to. It's not easy alot of work. I am so dredding fawning season, but as soon as the first one hits the ground I'm in love all over again.

[Deepwoods]

Rick it is sbullpuppy@aol.com

[Majestic Whitetails]

Rick
I am very interested in trying out the red cap formula you use. My wife and I are just getting started in the business and would love any tips or info you might have. If you could send info. to jbelecservices@yahoo.com it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Joe

[Paul]

Rick, Would you send me that Red Cap milk feeding Also, Thank's Paul
My address is lowertwin@columbus.rr.com

[Rick]

Joe, Paul, Deepwoods, Joe Balas, " You Have Mail"

[Paul]

Thank's again Rick, I have a friend, He is a Amish Man and he milk's cow's.
Any money we can save to raise good heathly Fawn's is a Good Thing.
Thank's again, Paul
Fair Oak's Farm
Wheelersburg,Oh

[virgil]

Paul, you need to be carefull useing unpasturized milk can carey many different deseases.

[Paul]

Virgil, Never thought about that.
I figured that would be more fat content, but i'am sure it to be more safe than sorry.
So i suppose the Grocery store is still cheaper!
Thank's Paul
Fair Oak's Farm

[acutting]

I'd love to hear about your RED CAP Milk. If you could e-mail me or message me with the info that would be great.

[Midwest Deer Sales]

Rick
Thanks for all you have done here. I know I made a lot of work for you, but your are truly an industry leader and I want to commend you for that.
With that said, I want to point out that you are a very visable person in the industry and as I have said before if you want to reach the top you must be willing to help yourself, but more importantly, help everyone else as well. You are a fine example of a true friend in the industry. Keep up the good work and keep preaching the good word!
Thanks
Eric Pinkston

[Rick]

Eric,
Thank you for your kind comments, and hope that anyone who trys Red Cap for bottle feeding has great success, I also hope veryone regradless of feeding method has great success, as I have mentioned before I do not believe Red Cap is necessarily any better than any other method, it is everything combined that you do for these little guys that helps you end up with a healthy product or animal, not just milk.

Eric Thank You.... got a few more emils today requesting feeding schedule

[Rick]

ACUTTING can you supply me your email address

[C M Deer]

Tried red cap and will go back to zoologic. Deer seemed healthy and was convenient, but we had lots of trouble with "runs" We ended up putting pumpkin in with the milk which helped a lot though.

[virgil]

One of the main causes for the runs is sterilization and it will happen no matter what you use. Many times we tend to get lazy a little and don't make sure bottles are washed and steralized properly after every feeding this is a must. Not saying this was your problem but i have seen others have runs cause of this. I used straight red cap last year and had no problems at all. So did 5 other farms close to me and they all said they thought it was greatest thing ever used.

[Rick]

C M Deer we also had trouble with the runs when we were mixing 1 cup of replacer, when we changed to 1/2 cup we had no more problem with runs, we also limit how much we feed meaning we do not give them all they will drink. Good luck this year with your fawns.

[160goldstar]

Rick, Could you send info to me?maxbo400@live.com
Thanks,
Delfred

[Rick]

Thats great Robert, if it aint broke dont fix it, glad to hear Fox valley works well for you, I know others that also use it with great success, sounds like you and I are on the same or similar page in regards to how we feed them etc..... glad to hear that "for my benifit"
Thanks for your comments

[Rick]

Delfred and Acutting "You Have Mail"

[LGode]

Rick could you also send me a copy of your feeding schedule and how much red cap to the 1/2 cup replacer. Thank you.
lgode01@snet.net

[Rick]

Lizabeth "You Have Mail"

[Rick]

Painted Meadows

...(I will list a full in detail instruction of what I did that worked for me...)you feed them as much as they can take(to a point)one fawn I had to limit cause I could tell she wasn't hungry...but the other take 2-3 x more milk then you would give formula and than they play and act healthy...It was the first year I tried it It is the first year I never lost a bottle baby...It is easier to call me and I can tell you my experiences if you need help...but I will list how I did it soon...I just have to type it up.

You mentioned you would supply your detailed schedule or program , will you either post it here or send it to me, I know we do not do things exactly the same but would sure like to compare programs. browningwhitetails@gmail.com Thank You

[LGode]

Thanks Rick got it! I have been pondering your comment that the three times a day feeding makes them friendlier... My goal is to keep my fawns wild and thought that by feeding them fewer times, they would be wilder because they would see less of me... What do you think? Painted Meadows I too would be interested in seeing your feeding program.
Thank you.

[C M Deer]

I agree Virgil clean bottles are a must, I put mine in the diswasher after every use so I know that was not the problem with the fawns having the runs.

[Rick]

thats a tough one Liz but I do definately believe that 3 times a day gets them coming to you with more agression as they are hungry all the time

[WICKED WHITETAILS]

Rick if you dont mind could you send me your schedule too. jkramer105@yahoo.com

[Broken Antler Deer Farm]

Mr. Rick, When you have time, Please send me your red cap recipe and schedule. davisanc@earthlink.net
Thank You Loisdavisanc@earthlink.net

[Rick]

Jarred and Lois "You Have Mail"

[Rick]

Rick "You Have mail"

[slars]

thanks alot could you ad me to the list as well

[slars]

hd44mag@hotmail.com

[Rick]

Slars "You Have Mail"

[pdaddy]

Rick-please send me your recipe and schedule, thanks

[Rick]

pdaddy need email

[wild west]

could you please add me to your list as well for the red cap milk recipe thanks alot
wildwestwhitetails@hotmail.com

[CurtisLloyd]

Hey Rick, since your recipe has become so popular I was wondering if you would have a good cupcake recipe too.

[Mitch P]

Hey curtis since your asking i`ll put my order in to !! Hey rick a would like a good jelly dounut recipe !! Emmmmmmmmmmmmm

[ahiggins]

Please send me a copy to adam4261804@hotmail.com

Thanks

[4-D whitetail ranch]

Can you send it to me also? jpdavis@hughes.net

Thank You

[Rick]

info@deerranch.com, jpdavis@hughes.net, adam4261804@hotmail.com, wildwestwhitetails@hotmail.com
Ya'll have Mail

I'll have to add a little more replacer to thicken up the batter for those cup cakes....still interested

[CurtisLloyd]

Rick don't forget the VIT A, D, C and probiotics in the mix for the cold and flu season

We could have some fun with this,..... if we feed it to our deer would we eat it????

the first feed we used had molasses and apple flavoring it smelled great but it still tasted awful

[Hippen32]

Rick please send me a copy hippentaxidermy@safe-mail.net
Thanks for being so kind

[DK_32]

Rick can you please send me a copy to thanks. derek_kanouse@hotmail.com

[Rick]

Rob, Derek, and Hippen, "You Have Mail"

[warrenwhitetails]

Hey there Rick
do you remember the milk replacer that mixed well in the cold milk. I never got a chance to ask Harry.

[Rick]

no but I will find out Hey Mitch what replacer did you say you used.... you said it mixed well and your fawns did very well on it

Harry if your reading would you mind telling us what replacer you used when you used whole cows milk. THANKS

[Mitch P]

Hey Rick that would be Ultra 24 from TSC !!

[nmorrett]

Mr Browning can i get a copy please

nathan.morrett@infarmbureau.com

Thanks
Nate

[Rick]

Thanks Mitch, Nathan, "You Have Mail"

[warrenwhitetails]

thanks Rick and Mitch

[GatorBait]

I would also be interested in your program.
miahnsmith@gmail.com
Thank you sir

[Jhillierwhitetails]

rick i wold like your formula please. jhillier@msn.com

[Scotts217]

Would you please send it to me. Thanks

scotts217@aol.com

[Jhillierwhitetails]

rick I sent wrong email if you would send it to jphillier@msn.com that would be good.

[Rick]

Every one that has requested this should now have it

[dcwhitetails]

after all the fussing hard to believe lot using redcap even me! did see quick pellets. Dc

[ddwhitetails]

Yeah but it seems to me that mixing the red cap is what everyone is doing......as long as the fawns come out healthy thats all that matters!!!

[mrwhiteails]

Here is the schedule I have. Don't know if it is the same as Ricks or not but it is the one I have been using for 8 yrs. I believe Rick Modified this one.

I dont have the patience or time to send out thru emails.

[Rick]

Thanks Harry for your input

[mrwhiteails]

No problem Rick...have you changed the schedule much from the original? I dont have the time to email to everyone ....so I figured I post it and all who wants can download.

Looks like I will get to use schedule a little sooner then expected!!!!!!!!
Had some fawns last night and I am not prepared........thought I had another 4 weeks or so.

[CurtisLloyd]

start a post lets see the new babies..... they might be the first ones?

[Pasture Prime]

Yes, lets see those babies. Are they full term or premies? I knew it, I've been dredding fawning but as so as I hear there are fawns on the ground I can't wait. Even though I just recently weaned my October "surprize". Hope he doesn't loose his summer coat and grow a winter one now!! Congratulations on your babies. Keep us posted.

Sandy Malone
Pasture Prime Farm
Rush, N.Y.

[Josh]

Harry, Were those live bred?