Mississippi has bill to open up deerfarming

[Scott Heinrich]

Mississippi SGRA Members and Friends,
We are poised to achieve a major milestone in our effort to bring Mississippi into the deerfarming world.

The bill SGRA sponsored this year in the legislature was debated in committee today and will be put to the floor for a vote this week. If you want to be able to buy and sell WT deer in the very near future in Mississippi, you need to contact every senator you can and let them know you want their support on this bill. Without letters and phone calls, these senators will not have any incentive to support our legislation.

So get busy and help mold your future! Tell everyone you know to call and email these senators as well. The more support they hear from us, the more they will support our cause!

Please get involved!!!!!

Just a sneak preview on next year's agenda..............SGRA will attempt to get the WT deer industry under the authority of the MBAH, not the MDWFP.

Hang on everybody we are going to be able to play with the big boys in our industry soon!

Scott Heinrich, Exec. Dir. SGRA


Senate Bill 3089
(COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE)
AN ACT TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM ACREAGE SIZE FOR WHITE-TAILED DEER BREEDING PENS; TO PROVIDE THAT OWNERS OF PERMITTED WHITE-TAILED DEER ENCLOSURES MAY SELL OR PURCHASE WHITE-TAILED DEER FROM OTHER PERMITTED ENCLOSURES WITHIN THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI; TO AUTHORIZE THE COMMISSION ON WILDLIFE, FISHERIES AND PARKS AND THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE, FISHERIES AND PARKS TO CONTINUE TO REGULATE PERMITTED BREEDING PENS UNDER SECTION 49-7-58.4; AND FOR RELATED PURPOSES.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MISSISSIPPI:

SECTION 1. (1) (a) A permitted breeding pen for white-tailed deer shall not exceed a total confined area of five (5) acres. A permitted breeding pen shall be doubled fenced and comply with the regulations for breeding pens under Section 49-7-58.4.

(b) The commission and the department shall not require a minimum acreage for breeding pens greater than five-acre limitation established under this section.

(c) The commission and the department shall not require that a permitted breeding pen for white-tailed deer must be contained within a minimum number of contiguous acres.

(2) The owner or operator of a permitted white-tailed deer breeding enclosure or permitted high-fenced white-tailed deer enclosure may sell, purchase and transport white-tailed deer to other permitted high-fenced enclosures and permitted breeding pens within the state.

(3) Except for the restrictions in this section, the commission and the department shall continue to have power to regulate permitted breeding pens under Section 49-7-58.4.

SECTION 2. This act shall take effect and be in force from and after July 1, 2010, and shall stand repealed on June 30, 2010.

[Arrowhead Whitetails]

Scott,
Do you have any contact info. for the state senators in Mississippi? I would be glad to light up their phones.

[Midwest Deer Sales]

If Michael is lighting them up, I'll be the one to help set them on fire!
Eric Pinkston

[WillPenn Whitetails]

That's great news Scott. A win in Mis. will be a win for all of us! Thanks for all that you do to help promote out industry... it doesn't go unappreciated.

[SJames]

Great news Scott,

I guess I was hoping that they would also open up the borders for import. I don't see that in there. Are there any plans for that?

I'll call my friends in MS and tell them to call their reps.

THANKS
Sam

[Wild Rivers Whitetails]

Yes, what about the open borders? Otherwise it is a self contained industry - what other agricultural industry is subject to that sort of restriction? If the sentenced ended after "other permitted high fence enclosures and breeding pens" period that would be perfect. I realize you can't always get everything you want up front, but sometimes it is easier than trying to go back and change it.

Good luck to all in MS - hope this passes for you.

[pdaddy]

Patience Grasshopper, we must crawl before we walk!:)

[pdaddy]

With that said- since Alabama already has deer farming in place maybe the focus should be on opening Alabama's borders first then Mississippi's.

[richie0033]

I think you would have to be NUTS to want to open MS or Al borders. I know for a fact that there were over 1200 deer AI'd in Alabama this year. That's over 600 straws of semen used. If you averaged each straw at 5000.00 that is 3,000,000.00 dollars that went into the deer market out of state. Why would you want to lose that?? If Mississippi gets the deer breeding going that's another 3 million per year to the northern breeders. I think that's a good chunk of change going in the industry. This is just my two cents.

[Scott Heinrich]

I was in a hurry last night when I posted the news and forgot to mention some folks that really helped us alot. They are Schawn Schafer from Nadefa,Will Ainsworth from Alabama Deer Assoc. and Bill Holdman from Whitetails of Louisiana. Yesterday these folks testified before the MS Senate wildlife committee in favor of this bill. As expected, the Ms Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks Commission (who presently regulate the industry in MS) are very oppossed to the motion and vowed to try to kill it before the house committee so we are gearing up for a huge fight if the bill gets through the senate.

SGRA would like to thank Shawn, Will and Bill for their support. This is a shining example of our associations helping each other for the good of our industry.

[Scott Heinrich]

The website than has the contact infor for the MS Senators is at the attached link.
http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/members/s_roster.pdf

If you want to copy the emaiol addys of all of the MS Senators, I have included them as well to copy and paste in your to:box

lyancey@senate.ms.gov <lyancey@senate.ms.gov>; jwilemon@senate.ms.gov <jwilemon@senate.ms.gov>; mwatson@senate.ms.gov <mwatson@senate.ms.gov>; gkward@senate.ms.gov <gkward@senate.ms.gov>; jwalls@senate.ms.gov <jwalls@senate.ms.gov>; bturner@senate.ms.gov <bturner@senate.ms.gov>; gtollison@senate.ms.gov <gtollison@senate.ms.gov>; bstone@senate.ms.gov <bstone@senate.ms.gov>; wsimmons@senate.ms.gov <wsimmons@senate.ms.gov>; epowell@senate.ms.gov <epowell@senate.ms.gov>; anunnelee@senate.ms.gov <anunnelee@senate.ms.gov>; hmontgomery@senate.ms.gov <hmontgomery@senate.ms.gov>; tmoffatt@senate.ms.gov <tmoffatt@senate.ms.gov>; wmichel@senate.ms.gov <wmichel@senate.ms.gov>; nmettetal@senate.ms.gov <nmettetal@senate.ms.gov>; cmcdaniel@senate.ms.gov <cmcdaniel@senate.ms.gov>; plee@senate.ms.gov <plee@senate.ms.gov>; elee@senate.ms.gov <elee@senate.ms.gov>; dkirby@senate.ms.gov <dkirby@senate.ms.gov>; tking@senate.ms.gov <tking@senate.ms.gov>; djordan@senate.ms.gov <djordan@senate.ms.gov>; kjones@senate.ms.gov <kjones@senate.ms.gov>; sjackson@senate.ms.gov <sjackson@senate.ms.gov>; rjackson@senate.ms.gov <rjackson@senate.ms.gov>; gjackson@senate.ms.gov <gjackson@senate.ms.gov>; chydesmith@senate.ms.gov <chydesmith@senate.ms.gov>; bhudson@senate.ms.gov <bhudson@senate.ms.gov>; jhorhn@senate.ms.gov <jhorhn@senate.ms.gov>; bhopson@senate.ms.gov <bhopson@senate.ms.gov>; bhewes@senate.ms.gov <bhewes@senate.ms.gov>; aharden@senate.ms.gov <aharden@senate.ms.gov>; jgordon@senate.ms.gov <jgordon@senate.ms.gov>; tgollott@senate.ms.gov <tgollott@senate.ms.gov>; hfrazier@senate.ms.gov <hfrazier@senate.ms.gov>; mflowers@senate.ms.gov <mflowers@senate.ms.gov>; jfillingane@senate.ms.gov <jfillingane@senate.ms.gov>; tdickerson@senate.ms.gov <tdickerson@senate.ms.gov>; bdearing@senate.ms.gov <bdearing@senate.ms.gov>; ddawkins@senate.ms.gov <ddawkins@senate.ms.gov>; bclarke@senate.ms.gov <bclarke@senate.ms.gov>; lchassaniol@senate.ms.gov <lchassaniol@senate.ms.gov>; vcarmichael@senate.ms.gov <vcarmichael@senate.ms.gov>; kbutler@senate.ms.gov <kbutler@senate.ms.gov>; tburton@senate.ms.gov <tburton@senate.ms.gov>; nbrowning@senate.ms.gov <nbrowning@senate.ms.gov>; tbrown@senate.ms.gov <tbrown@senate.ms.gov>; dblount@senate.ms.gov <dblount@senate.ms.gov>; dbaria@senate.ms.gov <dbaria@senate.ms.gov>; salbritton@senate.ms.gov <salbritton@senate.ms.gov>

[Scott Heinrich]

Will,
It is SGRA that got the bill introduced through Senator Jackson. Much of my/our work was up front and since I am working a job I couldn't get to the meeting, those mississippians who attended were in constant contact with me before during and after not only Monday's meeting but the subsequent follow up session where Sen. Gollott resurected the bill after Cindy Hyde-Smith tabled it. There is much about Ms politics that is unseen and handled best over a steak with a good glass of wine.

[Scott Heinrich]

Richard,
I believe that all states that allow deer farming should have open borders to encourage competition. The semen sales will be about the same regardless of the status of a state's borders. The ability to buy and sell deer freely in this country is (in my opinion) an inalienable right just as the right to buy and sell cattle, swine and equines. If you don't believe the open borders will promote competition, just try to buy a run of the mill WT doe in Alabama. Tell me a doe with no pedigree is worth what they are getting for them there. Alabamains who want to get into the industry can't afford to buy stocker WT's for the prices they are getting. In addition the regulations there are restrictive enough that new deer farmers are almost impossible to find.

[richie0033]

Scott you make a point.. I don't know if it's a good one or not but I won't argue..by the way though Alabama breeders have doubled in the last 18 months and there are new breeders everyday. Alabama is a strong deer market and alot of people are just now getting in to it. Just my two cents

[acutting]

I'd guess Scott that the reason the regulations are so restrictive is just for that reason to keep new breeders out so as the breeders "die" off no on replaces them and eventually the people with agendas get there way. I don't understand why this industry is regulated as heavily as it is for any other reasons than agendas. All borders should be open and all states should be open to high fenced hunting ranches. If the public doesn't want them they will shut down from lack of business. We are in a capitalistic society money dictates what will and will not succeed. But we are not being given that opportunity because they know we will succeed and certain people do not want this industry to survive. Enough on my rant though. Congrats on the bill! That is great work and a step in the right direction for everyone. Every state we get that ok's deer farming is a good thing.

[Wild Rivers Whitetails]

I understand that things take time and you can't always have it all at once. Maybe if the federal government ever passes some CWD rules - that is before we all die of old age - some of the states with closed borders will have to open them if they adopt the federal rules. Like I said earlier - no other agricultural industry has this kind of restriction that I am aware of - what happened to free commerce?? I know, I know - CWD - just an excuse as we all know.

[Scott Heinrich]

There is more to our industry being highly regulated than CWD or any other disease. DNR's do not want to give up the power they have when it comes to deer. They can't see beyond their proverbial noses. They truly believe they can regulate us out of business and their hunting license revenues will rise.

[Brandon Wheeler]

I am not familiar with Mississippi deer farming at all or anything to do with it, so this may be a stupid question. If you guys are working to get deer farming legal in Mississippi, does that mean there are pen deer there already that are not legal? The thing I dont understand is if deer farming is not legal and they cannot import deer, where do the deer come from to start the farms?

[jason e]

I am a deer breeder in Alabama and can tell you first hand the price being asked for grade deer in this state is out of sight.A grade no pedigree doe will bring 3500.00,don't even think of buying one that has any kind of pedigree.Mississippi needs to first get deer breeding legalized and then get their borders opened as soon as possible to avoid the false market before it starts.

[Scott Heinrich]

Brandon,
WT deer in Mississippi have always been considered a state resource and therefore are property of the state. "Deer Farms" do not now, nor have they ever existed legally in MS. Enclosures have been legal for exotics, but native WT only deer enclosures were not allowed. Having said that, some people with generally large acre tracts erected high fences, some for the addition of exotics, some just so they could manage the natural deer herds on their property. In 2005 the MDWFP passed legislation giving them the right to regulate these private enclosures. Their regulations prohibited any enclosures less than 300 acres for WT deer. This caused people with smaller enclosures 40-299 acres to have to remove the WT deer from their enclosures. So deer farming (breeder operations) could not exist. In 2006 the SGRA was able to get regulations changed that allowed breeder operations inside permitted 300+acre enclosures. In addition, we also got the right to AI deer within these breeder enclosures. After a couple of rounds of AI the next natural question was who owns the AI offspring? This started a firestorm with the outcome in favor of the deer farmer. Since Ms is a closed border state, we were able to to get regulations that allowed transfer of deer between permitted enclosures. However, the sale of deer in MS was still prohibited. The bill we are speaking about here would allow sale of WT deer from one enclosure to another and allow small (5ac) breeder enclosures to be legal. Now the small enclosures will be able to buy from the large enclosures, thus that is how they would get their deer, until we can get the borders open later on down the line. We are approaching this challenge with a "baby step" mentality. Confused yet?


Will,
I'm glad to hear AL is beginning to grow its deer industry. You say "1.)fastest growing agriculture industry in the state". Did you guys get the regulatory agency changed to agriculture? I thought the dept. of conservation regulated the WT deer indutry in AL. Congrats if you did!

I believe the exotic folks over there are having a time getting new permits because the dept. of conservation isn't issuing any more non-indiginous species permits. Is that true?

I am a little confused as well as to how AL's cwd program works too. I understand it is administered by the state Ag dept, and a brand new deer farmer will be able to get a CWD accreditation of 7years after April of this year. Explain how that works, I too would like that to be something we try to achieve in Mississippi.

[dreamranch]

Scott,
In Alabama we are regulated by Ag for disease issues and conservation for permitting. Call me and i will explain how we went about getting the CWD program going. I think you could do the same thing in Miss.

[dreamranch]

2563021724...cell call me anytime

[Headley]

Deer Farming in Alabama is not an Agriculture Industry it is regulated by Game & Fish. I wish it was Agriculture Industrial maybe someday it will be. Hey I just had a good thought, maybe we should we have some kind of survey of all the deer breeders and see if they want to leave it under Game & fish or make it the fastest growning Agriculture Industrial in the State.

By the way, I would like to remind you if you get something asking you to take a pole on if you want it under Game & Fish or Agriculture, Game & Fish would defintaly keep boarders closed as they are now. Agriculture would definatly open the boarders, which one would you like?

[Rick]

I am not involved in what you guys are trying to do in Mississippi but would like to say Thank You to those that are. Thank you for your time, commitmnet, dedication, money spent, and skills/experience, that has been spent in working on this.

I know that deer farming is flourshing in Alabama and that Will, Ricky, and others have spent allot of all the above to make that a reality, Great Job we will all benifit from your efforts...

[Arrowhead Whitetails]

Easy now Jason, we have to live with him down here. One thing about Tim, you know where he stands. Thats why we keep him. He is a good voice for the industry.

[richie0033]

I know that the deer business was bad in 2002.. That's when most of everyone in the south started getting interested in it. Maybe some in 2003. But everything goes in cycles. I'm not saying that the people in the south made the deer business rebound but we did spend alot of money over the past few years. The fact is the deer business is a business. I don't see any breeders in the north telling Will or Ricky that they don't want their money. I personally think they sometimes pay the breeders in the north WAY to much for their deer. But nobody ever tells them "hey I think you paid to much for my deer so let me give you some money back" because in my "heart" I feel I should. I know that those two and others have stimulated the northern deer breeders very well. All the records for deer sales have been broke over the years and both of them have helped break them. All I am saying is don't bite the hand that feeds you. Everyone can bitch and moan about the deer business but if someone comes to your farm with enough money I don't think anyone would tell them no!!! Because in my heart I can't. You would sell for as much as you could get. Free Enterprise!!

[Scott Heinrich]

I agree with Jason.
Tim,
As usual you have used your keen insight to wade through the bull and call it like it is. No wonder you write such good songs! Thanks

[richie0033]

Also as far as the borders go I think that they should stay closed. If you look at Texas the deer business is strong. They can sell their does at a good price. Most of the farmers that have what you would call "average deer" up north cannot sell their does. They have to eat them. These does will raise 200" four year olds but because they are not the elite does nobody wants them. That is not what I want in the south. That doe should be worth money not meat. All does should have a place in the deer business. Not everyone can afford elite deer. If you flood the market the deer will not be worth nothing. If the borders are opened it will flood the market just like up north then we will be eating our does. If our deer are not worth anything thing we don't have an incentive to keep spending money on upgrading our herd. (buying semen, does, bucks, or fawns). No need for us to build enclosures because nobody ever wants to invest in something with zero return. I think that the states with the closed borders are more stable in the deer industry because of it. Texas deer sales ate up and they continue to be stable. Most breeders up north couldn't sell their deer this year and they are scared. Do you think they want to go out and spend more money in the deer business. NO!!!!! this hurts everybody.

[Scott Heinrich]

I understand the financial advantages of closed borders. Without the ability to go outside the state to buy deer, you are forced to buy "in-house" and thus the suppliers can virtually name their prices. Great gig for the suppliers, but eventually the bubble will burst. When the demand goes down the suppliers will be forced to lower their prices. What I can't get a handle on is why would a state that does not allow importation of deer also allow their exportation? Why would anyone that has deer in a closed state want to export them? Surely the prices of deer exported, cannot be anywhere near the prices you could get in the "captive market", so why even allow exportation? If you as a supplier of deer in a closed border state are exporting them, then how can you justify the loss of income from selling the deer cheaper? If you are having to export them, then what does that say about the demand and the stability of the industry there?

Some of you may want to fill in the blanks for me.

[Scott Heinrich]

Back to the rediculous...........Will all AL deer farmers will enjoy a 7yr CWD status beginning this April. The state is grandfathering them into the program. How on gods green earth is one of those 32 new deer farmers going to have a 7 yr status when their farms haven't been in existance that long? I realize AL bagan testing wild deer in 2002/2003, but they didn't begin testing farmed cervids until just recently. In addition to that, how can a deer farmer that is allowed to bring exotics into the state, allowed to have a separate CWD status for his WT's if they are kept in the same enclosure? In Louisiana, your CWD status is exactly that YOUR status, not that of the dept of conservation's wild deer survey results. I am not complaining that you guys got that for your farms, just curious as to how much it cost and who had to be bribed to get something that absurd enacted.

[Russell]

I had complaints and requests to have this thread deleted because of rudeness and it casts a bad image on our industry.

I have deleted some of the postings -- if there are any more that don't follow the forum rules, I will delete the entire thread.

Remember, over a 1,000 people a day view these forums ... so think before your post!

Thanks,

Russell
Moderator

[virgil]

Its sad when people try to make them selves look good by saying look what i have done. If you are going to try to help someone you should do it for the right reasons and not brag about it. Saying i did this or my groop did this. From outsider looking in you guys are making yourselves look bad. Maybe true colors are showing!

[Scott Heinrich]

OK Will, I called, No Answer, Left Message, Your Move. (225) 301-3159

[Tim Condict]

Russell,
I respect all you do, and I deleted all my posts on this thread. I will delete this one soon. Feel free to delete all post I have made in the past as well.
Complainers,
I do feel that it shows how over regulated our industry has become when two good friends are having fun (most of the time while talking on the phone as we posted) poking at each other. We can't make a joke because someone is afraid they aren't going to sell a straw of semen or the government agencies are going to come throw the book at us when I have never even been to Ricky's farm. Jokes are jokes and we have become so fractured that no one can take them anymore. For all you serious people out there you need to go to Texas. I have been picking at them for 10 years and they know how to take it.(I love Texas) Maybe those Texans could teach you guys to develope a sense of humor.(notice Texans were not complaining) I don't need any states border open to make a living raising deer, but I don't mind taking a few pokes at those guys. Its all in fun! GET A LIFE. ( I may move to Texas)
As far as Alabama's CWD status, if they have been turning in heads for seven years, then more power to them for getting it acknowledged.(Thanks Texans for not complaining)
I support every deer farmer in this country and fight for every deer farmers right to do business. My opinion is , all borders should be open. Thats my opinion, period. (did I mention how much I like Texas)(except 1 Saturday a year, in the middle of October)
Richie, I know you see on here that some people can't sell their deer but I had a very hard time finding good shooters this winter. Notice I said good shooters.
For all the industry's politically correct people out there who are here to save us from ourselves(you know having fun) I would be very happy to be banished from all of the National positions I hold. Just let me know. That way we don't have to deal with a good time at any events. We can maybe hold some wimps contests or maybe even a whine off. I am sick to death of having to apoligize for not saying everything everyone wants said or how they want you to say it, and patting every back that wants patted. Feel free to leave me alone. It would be very smart for any calls I recieve to be in support or about another subject.

[Rick]

just for info as a person not aware of exactly what was going on here, these posts could definatly be misconstrued as very bad jabs at each other, i read some of them seveal times trying to figure out whats was going on i have never known these guys to talk about others the way they were so the only explanation is thet were joking

by the way i did not make a complaint, i wanted to see where this was going to go

[Tim Condict]

Thanks Rick

[Russell]

I don't have a problem with discussions about closed borders. In fact, I think it is a very important topic that needs to be openly and frankly discussed (and hopefully resolved).

So if you wish to continue discussions about borders, someone please start a new thread in the Farm and Business Management Forum.

Just PLEASE keep your posting civil and factual. No kicking, biting, spitting, insulting, mooning or calling names! :D

Thanks,

Russ

PS. It is my humble opinion that many of these problems exist because we have too many states and provinces. We need to amalgamate these into large geographic areas and reduce the amount of government.

[Scott Heinrich]

Well said Russell.............Will, thanks for calling me back and I'm glad we got to talk. It's funny how reasonable two people can be with a conversation as opposed to a post.

[Tim Condict]

Again. Russell for Provincial President. I have been saying that forever.

[Tim Condict]

What are you saying Scott. Will is an Oh sorry Russell.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

It's good to talk about these issues and debate them as well. I didn't see anything wrong with the posts from Will, Tim and Scott... most of it seemed to be in a joking manner with well deserved compliments from all sides for working hard toward a common goal.
All I'll say about a few select comments is that they didn't seem to be joking and were down right insulting if you ask me. I have a great sense of humor... probably more than most people actually, but if some of the things that were said here were pointed in my direction... well, let's just say I'd probably have to take that discussion off-line.
I've said it before... the internet and forums in general are a funny thing. They are great for keeping folks informed and hopefully together on most issues, but the problem lies in the medium in general. Words typed on a screen are rarely afforded the same overall picture as a live conversation... soooo, many people reading them are left with their own interpretation. Sometimes you just can't tell if the comments are serious or just plain old fun... which I'm certainly all for, but the truth is that perception is reality for most of us, and it can be tough to read between the lines when you're not viewing the conversation live and in person.
What does this all mean??? Heck I don't know, guess I just wanted to put my 2cents into the piggy!
Have fun boys... play nice if you can, if not, kick em in the shin when they're not looking!

[Tim Condict]

Russell,
Why you delete the picture of my head on Ricky's body. That was funny.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

Russell,
Why you delete the picture of my head on Ricky's body. That was funny.

Now that's funny!!! I'd like to see that!

[CurtisLloyd]

hey Russell you could be premier of Newfoundland since their premier Danny Williams is in the states getting heart surgery...... tell you anything about the great health care in Canada.......people are literally dying to see a doctor

[Brandon Wheeler]

I travel the US for my day job and it is my honest opinion the USA is at least 3 countries ruled by the same government and should be split and ruled that way! Give the west coast their country, the east coast theirs and leave us in the middle to be successful! My guess would be in a short amount of time both coast would starve or go bankrupt!

When all you guys are complaining about the crappy ecomony, dont blame us Okies.....Nobama only got 30% of the vote here and most of the heartland.

People thin kthe idea of splitting the country is stupid but think about it, European countries are all the sizes of our states and they seem to do just fine!

I think Tim could give Palin a good run, if we had the money to back him!

[Russell]

Tim,

You are welcome to re-post your picture in the Antlers Bar and Lounge. :)

Somehow, I don't think it qualifies for the national Announcements and News Forum.

Russ

PS. I agree there were some really good points made in the posts I deleted. However I don't have to the time to go edit each one and remove the offensive parts and leave in the good parts. As I said, you are all welcome to start a new thread and re-post your points (without the insults of course).

I also recognize (and appreciate) how passionate you are about raising deer! So it is understandable that things sometimes get out of hand. I try my best to allow for creative and heated discussions and at the same time keep things civil.

[richie0033]

Well this stinks!! As soon as it was getting good,we get deleted. No, being serious it was all in good faith. We were just messing around and if anyone got affended, then so what!! LOL. J/k. Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way. Oh and by the way!! ROLL TIDE!!!'

[Tim Condict]

Ok,
Richie next post on other thread is about you.

[Tim Condict]

Brandon,
The fact is, we would have to put restrictions on imigration. If not we would lose what we love most, open space. Every reasonable thinking person would be moving out of those hell holes and crowding our highways, causing a housing boom(well maybe not because most freeloaders would leave and open up some housing) and talking in a faster language that we couldn't understand. Boy how great we could be without the federal government in DC running our lives.

[IndependenceRanch]

hey Russell you could be premier of Newfoundland since their premier Danny Williams is in the states getting heart surgery...... tell you anything about the great health care in Canada.......people are literally dying to see a doctor

If Obama gets his way with health care I wonder where he will go when he needs surgery?:D

[CurtisLloyd]

Just wait the next thing will be free veticare for all useless lapdogs and pit bull kept in a 600sq.ft. project.