big black bear came into pens last night

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

:eek: this big black bear came into the pens last night. no deer got hurt thankfully. :eek:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3513808738_8d01e28338_o.jpg
PS. the date on the photo is wrong!!!!

[foodplot]

That can't be good.

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

well it isn't. I am surprised none of the deer hit the fence.http://applecreekwhitetails.com

[Jack]

I have seen black bears run down elk calves. I'm amazed it didn't kill any deer. I would think it is just a matter of time. With fawning season coming if it isn't removed you are going to lose fawns and then adults. I would ask the DNR to remove him. If they can't help I'd treat it like a any dog in my pen and then it will not be a problem. We have a right if not obligation to make our pens safe for our animals.

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

we found a large hole in the preserve, so we think it dug its way out. but we are not positive it did!!!
http://applecreekwhitetails.com

[CurtisLloyd]

So...... are you gonig to wait until it kills .....How many? if it is just "digging" what else is it letting into the preserve? you need have him removed....A bear will not go away by itself, I suggest you go have a nice long talkwith him/her, ( 200 yards @ 2900 fps.) should do the trick.

[Wild Rivers Whitetails]

We have had bears in and out of our preserve but not in our breeding pens. They will climb over the fence as well as under it. We've had APHIS come out and set some traps - sometimes they get one and sometimes they just disappear.

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

My fathers ranch manager received bear tag few years back and shot 475 pound giant. Guess the years of baiting is causing them to hang around.

[Rustyblaster]

So can you put strands of electric up or is fence too long? I am curious how a guy handles this any other way than 2900fps as Curtis suggests.

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

i suppose you let him go away by itself or try to bait it away.

[thunder]

I agree with Curtis!

[TallTines]

I agree with Curt I would get rid of it with a nice shot. I wouldn't want to take the chance of hurting/killing any of my deer.

[dcwhitetails]

SSS,sure would make nice rug.or wall hanger.i have found lot of things can happen sometimes you got to narrow things down a bit.Dc

[alpha and omega whitetail]

Take care of it quickly, have a nice mount for the lodge, remember, it dug itself out it can dig itself back in anytime, anyplace.

[Wild Rivers Whitetails]

What you all are proposing is illegal here in WI. Only if you have a tag can you shoot a bear and getting a tag is not easy. Where we live, it took us 10 years to get a kill permit. Ridiculous since there are bears everywhere here. We heard that nearly 50 bears were relocated from a nearby farm (not a deer farm), where they were into their corn.

[Jack]

As stewards of our animals we have to try to keep them safe as we have removed their only defense away from them, which is run away. We are responsible for their safety and have to protect them from predation.

As stewards for all wildlife we need to be responsible for proper removal of wildlife. Your first legal option would be to have the bear removed by the proper agencies. If that fails then the responsibility falls on the producer to protect his livestock from predation by lethal means. In Montana we can kill anything that kills private livestock. Sad to say you have to have one of your animals hurt.

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

What you all are proposing is illegal here in WI. Only if you have a tag can you shoot a bear and getting a tag is not easy. Where we live, it took us 10 years to get a kill permit. Ridiculous since there are bears everywhere here. We heard that nearly 50 bears were relocated from a nearby farm (not a deer farm), where they were into their corn.

as wild river whitetails said we need a bear permit to kill it . And the DNR is likely not to remove it.

[ikoff]

It's illegal to drive over the speed limit too. Get rid of it or don't complain about the deer it kills.

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

Our ranch manager shot a 475 #bear 2-3 years ago. Chad was lucky to get another tag this year and so he is hoping it stays around. Yes my father wants to find a legal way to keep the bears out. His idea is to wrap a short (3 foot or so) barrier around the base of the fence so that it curls outward a foot or two. We'll keep that buried under some brush and the bear shouldn't be able to dig through that the same way he got under the fence last time.:rolleyes:

[ddwhitetails]

Isaac I respect the fact that you guys play by the book and respect the laws......I only hope it doesn't come back to haunt you........you have a lot of nice whitetails running around there that Mr. Black Bear would like to have in his stomach. I hope it all works out for you!!

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

I have K-9 dogs Narcotic,Explosion Detection ,and Search and Rescue dogs.
We trained our search and rescue dogs to be afraid of Rattlers, our drug dogs not to grab drugs, our bomb dogs not to move ect....
You can do some of the same things with bear....There are bear scare dogs you can hire unfortunately they would scare your deer, so you need to get creative... I have no idea what you are facing there...Can you hit the side it is coming in from with pepper spray...(not on a windy day or you and your deer will be crying) Can you run electric?
Bear are smart if you can get it to associate your fence with bad things it won't come back ,that being said you have a lot of fence and I don't not if 20 of your buddies are nice/stupid enough to sit out and (scare it) away or what...There has to be ways to do it.
Best of luck

[virgil]

Hang some balloons filled partially with amonia around pen coat with honey. When they pop they will get breath full of amonia. Bears never forget they won't come back. This works for bears getting into garbage really well. PS make sure after putting amonia in balloon use a pump to blow it up. Hope this does you some good (safe and legal)

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

Painted Meadows thank you for your ideas we are sitting around the table talking about this black bear and added some great ideas. In addition to adding 3 foot rap fence on bottom we could run your idea of hot hot wire on top and 5 foot off the ground add aluminum pie pans with peanut butter tied to the HOT/HOT wire. Would this keep bears away? PS this post comes from Isaac's Father Scott

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

Hi Isaac's Father Scott
Welcome aboard
(I just seen that you registered)
I am going to be running surveillance cameras in some of my pens for Mothers day
Good luck with your Bear venture...

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

thanks. i hope it stays away:rolleyes:

[B_Whitetails]

Had a bear at the pens last night. It was just a small one, but there is obvisouly a mother close by. All deer are ok, but they are all in different pens. I will keep everyone updated.

[dcwhitetails]

Do keep updated, if we dont hear from you, might worry,That you was lunch! Where there is a Baby there is a Mama, where there is a Mama, Got to be Daddy!.where there is a daddy.grandpa.also!! :eek: BOL And Grandma,probably the one get you!!:eek:

[Isaac@AppleCreek]

A few days ago, we saw a bear in the preserve. We think we have solved the problem. We will post later how we did it!