Advice on eyes

[allenb]

This fawn was born today around 1:00 pm . His eyes are buged out an the pupils are at the bottom.He has had BO-SE, C&D antitoxin , and Vitiman B complex. Appears to be blind. Has had colostrum from mother and supplement from bottle. I need some advice he is big and healthy except for this eye problem. If it can't be fixed I will do what is best for him. Thank you in advance. Allen

[ddwhitetails]

He can't see can he???? If he is blind I would do what is best for him.

[IndependenceRanch]

I have no idea how the animal would learn to cope being blind, but it would not be the first blind deer I have heard of. I and Laurie can't recall who it was that had one, but there was someone we visited that had a blind deer. Apparently blind from birth.
As I say no idea how the bugger would learn to cope that way. I guess a special pen setup might be in order.

[redwood_river_whitetails]

I tried to raise a blind one 2 years ago.....I finally ended up putting her down at the vet after 2 months. She did have other issues though. It was extremely hard on me to do that, but I knew I did the right thing....I cried all the way home.

Good luck Allen!!

[Jack]

Allen, I believe when we raise white deer we can have a genetic problem with eyes. There would be no reason genetically not to put this deer down. If the problem was genetically caused it should never be used for breeding. It would learn to cope but would have the same problems as any other deer when scared and would hit the fence at full stride with the bad results. I kept a blind deer one time and that is what happened to it so I did it no favors keeping it alive.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

Sad to see that... go with your gut and do what you think is best for the little guy in the long run. Good luck to you.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

I was thinking how to word close to what he said.
I would not use him to breed and I would watch using the buck and or doe that made him. Did you happen to breed a pied or a white to a pied or white?
Thank-God... I have never had problems...I am trying to breed pied and whites with strong genetics and bloodlines, "as I am sure you are also"... One with problems should be humanely culled.

[Scott Heinrich]

I would give 2cc of 7% iodine orally then get straight B1 (Thiamine 500mg/ml) from Jeffers or a vet and give 5cc's as a IM injection for 5 days. If the eyes do not clear up following the treatment, then I would recommend putting the deer down. I hope you have good luck!

[ikoff]

My wife works in the eye dept. at "a large medical center" and by looking at the pictures, she thinks glaucoma and congenital cataract. Can you tell if it can see at all? Does it react to light? It is hard to give up on those little guys.

[allenb]

Hey guys thanks for the responces. His mother is pied and his father is brown. Neither have white genes that I know of, and there is no relation between the parents. Scott I have the 7% Iodine but will get the B1 from vet tomorrow. Ikoff my wife just fed him 3oz. colostrum supplement as I was reading the responces. She says he responded to flash light by blinking and turning his head. Thanks so much, and if there is any more sugestions, please post. We arent giving up yet if nothing else we will learn from it. Allen

[ikoff]

That's good. At least he can see a little. Do both eyes look the same?

[allenb]

Ike both eyes look pretty much the same, but one is puffier than the other. Allen

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

If you have a tractor supply near you they have oral b complex the deer love the flavor or you can get sublingual b vitamins in your stores for people I have used both with great succes in bottle raising Fallows.Or you can get injectionsI can't tell from the pictures but they look in medical terms "messed up" not cloudy.I wish you the best of luck... It is never easy when life rests on you.

[allenb]

Thanks Billie jo, I just talked to the vet, I am meeting him in the morning for the different meds that have been suggested. Here are some more pictures from different angles. He doesent like the camera flashes close up. Allen

[virgil]

I would try getting him used to a caller and tie him on a dog run this would keep him out of trouble. I now aguy that raised a deer from the wild wasn't blind but he kept it on a chain like this and it did just fine acted like a goat he moved it all around called him his brush hog.

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

In those pictures it looks like pressure behind the eye or and the eye looks red and irritated not deformed...Can you tell is the eye whole?

[ikoff]

If the flash bothers him, he is seeing something. Could it be an injury after he was born? It looks like the right eye is swollen and irritated, otherwise he looks really healthy. I would think that when the vet looks at him he would be able to give you some oppinion as to what it might be.

[allenb]

I believe the eyes to be whole. As for pressure I think that is correct also. The eyes seem more bulged now than they did at birth. Allen

[Headley]

Hey put salt in his eyes it will bring the sight back if he his any at all don't wait do it now the longer you wait before you do it the less sight he will have do it morning and evening for three days.

[allenb]

Hey guys the little fellow didn't make it. I guess it wasn't meant to be. Thanks for everyones comments and suggestions. What a great group of people to be a part of. Thanks again, Allen

[Scott Heinrich]

Sorry for your loss, but sometimes our best card hands get trumpped by mother nature.

[allenb]

Thank you Scott.

[ikoff]

That's too bad...He must have had more problems that were making that eye look like that. I am surprised too because he looked so good otherwise in the pictures.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

Definitely sucks losing fawns, but guess it was meant to go that way with this little guy. Good luck on the rest of your fawns.

[allenb]

Thanks David, Ike and Michael. I appreciate your responces. Allen

[Buckskin]

Sorry for the loss Allen. It's amazing how fast you can get attached to those little guys. Rick

[ddwhitetails]

Allen, Sorry to hear he didn't make it....I was pulling for him.......definitly had more problems than just the eyes and I'm sure you did all you could do!! Good Luck with the rest of your fawns!!

[allenb]

Thank you Rick and Dennis, Like I said before great bunch of concerned people on these forums. Allen

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

I am glad nature made the choice.... and you did everything you could for him to ease his time here :)

[allenb]

Those are kind words Billie Jo. Thank you. Here is a picture of his brother that is still with mom and doing fine. Allen

[ikoff]

allenb, what are you thinking, was that little guy albino or can pieds have white offspring?

[allenb]

Ike, I am pretty sure he was not albino, due to him having dark pupils. As far as pieds having white offspring, I would say it is very possible. If Jack Oliver is reading this he may be able to shed some light on the pied ,white offspring question. What is your opinon Jack. Thanks, Allen

[ikoff]

I was just thinking if he was albino maybe there was something wrong genetically but if he was white that it would be some kind of injury.

[allenb]

It is puzzling, for he was like that at birth. Allen

[wvdeerman]

Allen,

Sorry I haven't responded to your statement. I've been a little busy with fawns.

Can a piebald have all white fawns? That is a good question, but I say NO !! The piebald gene and the white gene are two completely different genes. When mixed together they do enhance each other, making some spashier colors. I feel that a deer would need to have the white gene in its past to produce a white fawn. Many breeders are mixing whites and pieds together, just like I do. In that case, then YES a piebald could produce a white fawn, simply because the white gene is carried in the genetics. My big white buck Morton comes from my pied buck PATCH and a pied doe. They do both carry the white gene, therefore they can produce a white fawn even though they are both piebald colored.

Hopefully that answers your questions.

Goos luck with the remaining fawn season ALLEN. Keep in touch!!

Jack Oliver
Shadow Valley Deer Farm
304-278-9993

[ikoff]

So then if you breed a white buck with a normal whitetail doe, what would you get? White offspring, brown offspring, or a mix of both?

[PaintedMeadowsBJs]

White is a color...

Albino has no pigment so they have pink eyes...I know "THEY" say blue eyes are also albino but I disagree.I may be wrong

Senneca Whites are white deer with Brown eyes they have no dark hair but can have pigment on noses.

Pied (most) have blue eye's and can be white,white and brown,or white brown and black.
I have had all three you can't can one out of the other without crossing them.
That being said you may have Pied,White,or Albino bloodlines and not know it because they only throw 50%...So a brown deer can have any of those bloodlines.
Is the way I understand it from breeding them.