Maxbo Ranger?

[Reed68]

Call me stupid, but I must have missed the newsletter on Maxbo Ranger. I have noticed there is a craze going on with him, and his semen. What has brought on this demand over other Maxbo sons? NOTHING against Maxbo Ranger, just asking.

[Droptine]

I'm curious myself. I know he's a beautiful deer, but seems like he just exploded on the scene. I can't imagine his semen is more valuable than Maxbo's. I'd love to hear some explanations.

[400CLUB]

Limited quantity? He has proven pass down quality too. Also...look at NADeFA Open results...any consignment with his name in it brought crazy money...that makes his semen worth that much more.

[Reed68]

Why is it limited? Other than Midnight Ranger, what other passdown? Why was the demand so high? I know alot of Maxbo sons that don't get that craze.
Again! NOT bashing him. Just asking. Hell if Knew, maybe I would try that cross. I'm just not understanding.

[400CLUB]

I'll let someone who knows more about the situation answer. I was just trying to make conversation. $$$ doesn't lie...there is definitely something there! I guess they are smarter than I am!!!!!

[Rustyblaster]

I wouldn't call you stupid as you requested... just Okie! I do agree with your confusion over the out of perportioned interest for Ranger.

[Aaron_CCDR]

What I dont under stand is the craze for a lot of these sons over runs the craze for the proven sires. Look at all of the sons that Maxbo has produced. Maxbo has really proven himself but the straw of Maxbo gets one bid and the straw of maxbo Ranger hits $12,000 in a matter of hours. Same holds true for Hydroaxe last year bringing up to $8500 a straw when his proven sire Martygraw has really proven himself. Same with Avalanche ...ect, ect... Granted this doesn't always hold true but it seems to happen alot. Just curious on the thoughts on this. We bred alot to Martygraw this year and plan to use his sons in the future but would really like to see some of the sons out of his sons first. Just a personal insight but curious what others think on this.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

Limited quantity? He has proven pass down quality too. Also...look at NADeFA Open results...any consignment with his name in it brought crazy money...that makes his semen worth that much more.

I'd say that you hit the nail on the head. Maxbo Ranger semen is extremely limited and the buck is owned by an Amish gentelman that will not collect him. The same scenario occured when Edwin bought Maxin... very limited semen on the market and very little chance of him ever being collected again. Maxbo Ranger's pedigree and killer frame also had a lot to do with it, but I'd say simple supply and demand are at work here. Just my 2 cents.

[Reed68]

OK, that answers my question alittle. I was unaware of his new owners Amish ways. I knew he went to a amish farm, but didn't know his ways.

I still know of Maxbo sons, that died at a young age that didn't get the craze.

Here's one: Maxbo Encore
Son of Maxbo and B-37($270,000) full brother to Maxbo Hardcore, Solidcore. His passdown is showing up at Davids farm. No more semen, Has passdown????

[brianjames]

Somebody asked me over the last weekend if I would rather use Matri Gras or Hydo-Axe. I said Hydo-Ax hands down. With that said, I have no Hydro-Axe, but i do have Marti Gras in my herd. I have some very nice up and coming Marti Gras two year olds. What can be better that Marti Gras? How about Marti Gras + PA Geronimo! two of the most productive lines in the industry. Add 270" at two, all frame. And you have a super sire. He'll produce, just give him time (Something marti gras has had). Remember, He was 270" @ 2, two years ago. I'd be very suprised to not see any big yearlings this year...

The same can be said with Maxbo. With certain lines coming together, you can bet that a couple of Maxbo's sons will produce BETTER than Maxbo. The trouble is guessing whitch ones. Maxbo Ranger has only 2-3 mature sons (midnight Ranger, PJ Ranger, ect.). ALL of witch are BIG. Thats 100% sucess...So, far...Add width and tall tines, Don't let anyone have semn, and you're in business. I thought he died, thats why his semen was so limited, but I could be wrong...

With all the big bucks, there are very few that are truly unique anymore. What sets one buck apart from the other? Well if you are the only one that has Maxbo Ranger stock, then There is only ONE place anyone can get it...

After saying all that...

ME, peronally, if I wanted Maxbo Ranger stock I would purchase semen from one of his existing sons for a much lower price. THe way prices are on Maxbo Ranger i would much rather be a seller than a buyer...

[Browning2]

Maxbo Ranger has not died. He is owned by Levi Weaver in sugar creek ohio. The bulk of the semen that was sold at auctions I believe was owned by David McQuaig. The only semen left now is what people have boughten through the auctions. Levi Weaver is not allowed to draw semen on any of his deer but at auctions he has offered a few live coverings. Jon Browning

[Rustyblaster]

Maybe too nibby but why can't Levi draw from his bucks? Was that a condition of purchase of Ranger?

[Arrowhead Whitetails]

Rusty, Levi is Amish and some are not allowed to collect their bucks. I don't know all the ins and outs, but maybe Aaron Gray can answer your question.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

I'm not sure on the details, but there are numerous Amish folks in the industry that do not draw semen from their animals due to their personal/religous beliefs. Edwin Ropp with Maxin is an example... same deal with Levi is my understanding.

[virgil]

Just because a amishman owns that buck don't think for a second there will never be semen drawn from this buck.He may not be allowed to draw semen but you better believe his english buddies can. Amish aren't allowed to own motor boats either but i no a lot that have them in somebody elses name. Trust me with prices like this that semen isn't going to run out, but this is a very good sales tactic to get prices up...

[ddwhitetails]

I agree Virgil....those were my thoughts exactly as i was reading this post......there are always ways around everything especially when there is a dollar to be made. I'm thinking you are right about the sales tactic.......and it's working as you can see the price for one straw on WS is 13,000....thats a lot of money for a straw of semen when you don't even know if the buck will produce or not.

[WillPenn Whitetails]

I see what you guys are saying... but I guess I'm a little less skeptical, or maybe naive. When Edwin had Maxin he never drew semen from him and consequently the offspring and very little semen that was left brought a premium price. I don't know Levi that well, but from what I do know I would be very surprised if Maxbo Ranger was drawn while Levi owns him.
I guess what I'm saying is that I like to have a little more faith in someone's moral compass, and not believe that it's just a marketing ploy.
As far as Maxbo Ranger producing I'd say he's off to a pretty good start for the amount of offspring that are out there... PJ Ranger 283"@2 and Midnight Ranger 243"@ 2. Those are some pretty serious 2 year olds.

[clamriver]

Levi Weaver is very much a man of his word and I can personally guarantee all of you that Maxbo Ranger will never be drawn on again while Levi owns him. If the buck is ever sold to another then he will be drawn on again but I know that will cost a heckuva a lot of money and I will be very surprised if that gets done.

[Rick]

Levi Weaver does not, has not and will not draw semen on his bucks including Maxbo Ranger, he is making good money on his fawns and money is not the only driving factor for all of us, his Amish/Religious belief does not allow for semen collection or AI'ing of his deer and he adheres to his beliefs and or his Church requirements.

Levi is one of the most reputable deer farmer i know, Maxbo Ranger will never be collected again unless he decides to sell him which he has stated is not an option at this time, "Smart man"

[ddwhitetails]

Guys if this is true my hats off to Levi.......I respect a man that puts his religion first above all else....I only wish there were many more out there that worked under those principals.......I personally don't know Levi but do know other Amish that do take advantage of their beliefs by finding ways to get around their laws and ways........unfortunately there is a lot of game playing in the industry right now that kind of makes you more skeptical and I wish it wasn't that way.......but i learned the hard way a couple times and I vowed it wouldn't happen again.........

[virgil]

Don't no Levi so maybe your right.Only time will tell.Yes he does seem like a very smart man cause his fawns will be worth a mint and so will Maxbo Ranger if he ever decides to sell.How many straws are left does anyone no.

[Browning2]

The only semen that is left is semen that has already been purchased at the auctions. Levi occasionally will sell a live breeding but I would say 2009 season is most likely already spoken for. Jon Browning

[foodplot]

I saw Maxbo Ranger last year and he is a good looking deer.In fact all of his deer looked good from his 1.5 year olds to his 3yr olds.Heck I would like to have all his 2yr olds for shooters.

[Rick]

Here is maxbo Ranger pic taken in late July last year with more growning to do

[Rick]

I should also mention that Levi being Amish does not utilize photographs, I took this picture myself and added his farm name

[Reed68]

I may be wrong, but out of the few Amish folks I have been around, they all seem to know their stuff. My hats off to the Amish deerfarmers. If that is their ways, than so be it. I respect that.

On a goofy note::p If I raise a buck that is to be a good breeder, none of you guys have a chance of buying him.:eek: I want the Amish that dont pull semen to get him.:D

[warrenwhitetails]

Some of you are on the right track. Levi s' chruch does not allow AI and therefore he can not draw him. He was drawn by Dave as a yearling and that is where the semen comes from. I have seen many of maxbo rangers yearlings , 2 yr olds and 3 year olds, all i can say is, WOW! this deer passes it down! Wait till you get a glimpse of B.L.K Ranger , a 3 yr old out of a Buddy-Lucky-Kristie doe, owned by Harry Yoder. BLK is Midnight Rangers Twin brother and Levi Masts Lucky Rangers full brother. BLK is huge, will probably go 300 @ 3. I have seen his pens many times and Maxbo ranger is the real deal. His sons are already passing down the stuff too. I have a picture of OJ Ranger, PJ rangers twin, he was 215 @ 2 and died when he hit the fence this spring. OJ has only one yearling. He may be the nicest yearling in Levis' pen. go to www.warrenwhitetails.com.

[dtrain007]

When I bought Midnight Ranger, as a one year old, I couldn't believe what a great producer Maxbo Ranger was. Taking nothing from Maxbo- but Ranger is a consistent frame producer. How many sons and daughters are out of Maxbo. How many are out of Ranger? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the percentage of success is what matters. I wished we had a way to look at a buck and have a rating system. For example what percentage of a said buck's sons hit 200 sometime in their liftetime? I bet you would be surprised by the results. This industry is not 100% on results. It is a popularity contest. Having said that- how many Peach sons and daughters are there? By breeding with Ranger, you are breeding with something that is a little off mainstream. Peach was an excellent producer and he produced "pretty" deer. Those are the kind I want to raise. Ask the Laughlin's about their Peach doe. Does she produce long tines? What is this industry needing? Long tines and Spread. Guess what- Maxbo Ranger does it. Limited and productive means value. I would rather breed with Ranger than any other deer because of what I saw that day in his pen. Not yearlings with 30 points scoring 200"+ - those bucks can flop. He had lots of bucks with frames from 140-170". All of them. Who else has that kind of production?

[Reed68]

Dont want to take anything away from The Maxbo Ranger topic, but do you think Loyd Ervins "Larry" is a consistant typical frame producer?

[stevel]

Dtrain, you must be reading our minds. We are considering trying to buy a live breeding to Ranger and sending our LeeJay/Mattie (Peach doe) yearling over to Levi's. Mattie is 9 years old and she ain't goin' nowhere off this farm.

[Whitetail Sanctuary]

dtrain, midnight looks awsome!!!!!!!!! I must agree maxbo ranger is a stud very few bucks have EVER scored 300" with so little yet still get it done! with the score and the passdown he's showing. maxbo ranger and his sons seem to be a fluke :cool: to some but they won't for long. :D huh dustin!!!!!!!!

[Holly]

Dustin- You are definitely on track. When David bred Maxbo to that Peach doe, that is exactly what he was breeding for. There is no doubt that Ranger has exceeded those expectations and then some. I was AMAZED standing in Levi's pen last year. You are exactly right.... there wasn't a slacker in the bunch. Not only is Maxbo Ranger a stud, but Levi has to be one of the most decent men I have ever met! Of course I am partial to Maxbo, but wouldn't take one thing away from Ranger. Here's hoping Midnight Ranger (cool name) will be to you what Ranger is to Levi.

Steven- I would jump on that in a hurry if I were as close as you all are :-) Tell Carolyn hi for me!

[warrenwhitetails]

with all this talk of Ranger, thought i would post a pic of Lucky Ranger, BLK Rangers full brother just one year younger

this is Levi Masts' lucky ranger @ 2 Photo taken mid July




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